1 00:00:22,510 --> 00:00:09,080 welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast 2 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:25,160 hello and welcome to the skeptic zone 3 00:00:32,810 --> 00:00:29,130 episode number 353 for the 26 of July 4 00:00:35,210 --> 00:00:32,820 2015 Richard Saunders here with you from 5 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:35,220 California good old California yes I'm 6 00:00:39,549 --> 00:00:37,290 on my way home a few days in California 7 00:00:43,450 --> 00:00:39,559 after the amazing meeting to calm down 8 00:00:46,910 --> 00:00:43,460 cool my heels we gather my thoughts 9 00:00:49,820 --> 00:00:46,920 relax that sort of thing and before I 10 00:00:52,490 --> 00:00:49,830 tell you about this week's show special 11 00:00:55,810 --> 00:00:52,500 news for those in Sydney on Thursday the 12 00:00:59,030 --> 00:00:55,820 sixth of August coming up pretty soon 13 00:01:02,479 --> 00:00:59,040 skeptic zone live yes the skeptic zone 14 00:01:03,979 --> 00:01:02,489 live at sydney skeptics in the pub as i 15 00:01:06,410 --> 00:01:03,989 said thursday the sixth of all we're 16 00:01:08,749 --> 00:01:06,420 starting at six pm at the crown hotel 17 00:01:11,270 --> 00:01:08,759 which is on the corner of Elizabeth and 18 00:01:14,270 --> 00:01:11,280 golden streets in the city just near 19 00:01:16,370 --> 00:01:14,280 museum station with yours truly I'll be 20 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:16,380 reporting a little bit about the amazing 21 00:01:22,010 --> 00:01:18,930 meeting but will also have my co-host 22 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:22,020 Stefan sojka reported Joe alabaster 23 00:01:26,630 --> 00:01:24,450 reporter a run segev who's also the 24 00:01:30,050 --> 00:01:26,640 president of Australian skeptics by 25 00:01:33,649 --> 00:01:30,060 Skype Heidi Robinson the raw skeptic and 26 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:33,659 by a special pre-recorded message dr. 27 00:01:38,570 --> 00:01:36,090 rachy and of course as always Maynard 28 00:01:41,060 --> 00:01:38,580 will be there to spread the madness and 29 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:41,070 mayhem with his roving microphone the 30 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:44,010 skeptic zone live can't wait for that 31 00:01:48,740 --> 00:01:46,650 come along and meet them well most of 32 00:01:53,140 --> 00:01:48,750 the gang that Sydney skeptics in the pub 33 00:01:57,620 --> 00:01:53,150 for more information go to ww meetup com 34 00:01:59,420 --> 00:01:57,630 /a ust skeptics and i hope to see you 35 00:02:01,310 --> 00:01:59,430 there but coming up on this week's show 36 00:02:04,850 --> 00:02:01,320 more interviews from the amazing meeting 37 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:04,860 I catch up with sharon hill sharon hill 38 00:02:10,430 --> 00:02:08,130 the woman behind doubtful news what an 39 00:02:12,890 --> 00:02:10,440 interesting website that is and after 40 00:02:14,900 --> 00:02:12,900 that we chat to Professor Bruce M Hood 41 00:02:16,370 --> 00:02:14,910 who is it the amazing meeting all the 42 00:02:20,750 --> 00:02:16,380 way from the UK with a very interesting 43 00:02:23,090 --> 00:02:20,760 new science related project getting 44 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:23,100 speakers together scientific type and 45 00:02:27,289 --> 00:02:25,410 other academic speakers find out more 46 00:02:29,210 --> 00:02:27,299 about that soon then we have a week in 47 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:29,220 science from the Royal Institution of 48 00:02:34,220 --> 00:02:31,530 Australia what a fine outfit they are 49 00:02:37,430 --> 00:02:34,230 www r-ia us 50 00:02:39,410 --> 00:02:37,440 hey you and to round off this week 51 00:02:41,630 --> 00:02:39,420 skeptic zone we catch up with an old 52 00:02:44,199 --> 00:02:41,640 friend Ben Radford the psychic 53 00:02:48,350 --> 00:02:44,209 paranormal Bigfoot you name it 54 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:48,360 investigator and we are buzzed by just 55 00:02:54,710 --> 00:02:51,890 about every helicopter in Las Vegas oh 56 00:02:56,030 --> 00:02:54,720 my goodness me don't worry you'll learn 57 00:02:58,940 --> 00:02:56,040 you'll find out what that's all about 58 00:03:00,770 --> 00:02:58,950 soon a big thank you to all the skeptics 59 00:03:02,630 --> 00:03:00,780 own fans who came up to see me at the 60 00:03:05,420 --> 00:03:02,640 amazing meeting wow it was so good to 61 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:05,430 meet you I even met some people from 62 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:08,610 Finland it was pretty exciting skeptics 63 00:03:15,949 --> 00:03:11,250 own fans from Finland I'm in a lovely 64 00:03:18,289 --> 00:03:15,959 woman from Argentina from Sweden there 65 00:03:19,970 --> 00:03:18,299 were some people i have met some people 66 00:03:22,610 --> 00:03:19,980 from brazil it was just staggering it 67 00:03:25,819 --> 00:03:22,620 was so much fun such an enjoyable time 68 00:03:27,770 --> 00:03:25,829 and just between you and me a couple 69 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:27,780 days after tim james randi gave me a 70 00:03:31,490 --> 00:03:29,970 call and we chatted about how we thought 71 00:03:34,580 --> 00:03:31,500 it went and we both agreed it was a 72 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:34,590 pretty special occasion Thank You Randy 73 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:36,810 always good to get a call from you for 74 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:39,450 those people who are asking I am working 75 00:03:44,330 --> 00:03:41,730 on the official report of the million 76 00:03:47,659 --> 00:03:44,340 dollar challenge the demonstration test 77 00:03:50,059 --> 00:03:47,669 we had this year which was a bit out of 78 00:03:52,220 --> 00:03:50,069 the ordinary not our usual test we 79 00:03:54,470 --> 00:03:52,230 didn't have a claimant as such we were 80 00:03:57,140 --> 00:03:54,480 testing some audio cables but I'll get 81 00:04:00,349 --> 00:03:57,150 to that when I i finished the official 82 00:04:04,490 --> 00:04:00,359 report but now it's time for me to run 83 00:04:07,839 --> 00:04:04,500 downstairs jump into the car drive to 84 00:04:12,589 --> 00:04:07,849 newport beach go to the crab cooker Oh 85 00:04:13,819 --> 00:04:12,599 mom goodness me the crab cooker those of 86 00:04:17,180 --> 00:04:13,829 you who have been to the crap book 87 00:04:39,010 --> 00:04:17,190 wouldn't know what I mean well I do that 88 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:43,550 and here i am in the green room which is 89 00:04:47,810 --> 00:04:46,650 sort of a light cream room it's not I 90 00:04:49,370 --> 00:04:47,820 don't know why they call green rooms 91 00:04:52,340 --> 00:04:49,380 green when they're not green it's the 92 00:04:54,710 --> 00:04:52,350 speaker's room still looking for my free 93 00:04:57,500 --> 00:04:54,720 cupcake which didn't arrive and bitterly 94 00:05:00,100 --> 00:04:57,510 disappointed sharon hill Oh Richard 95 00:05:02,540 --> 00:05:00,110 hello how you I'm very well thank you 96 00:05:05,900 --> 00:05:02,550 enjoying Tim my face hurts from smiling 97 00:05:08,570 --> 00:05:05,910 I'm so happy yes I am now last night out 98 00:05:10,790 --> 00:05:08,580 as we record visits the sunday morning 99 00:05:13,310 --> 00:05:10,800 obtainment last night was the huge Randy 100 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:13,320 tribute my goodness me was it was 101 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:16,050 emotional it was so nice to see 102 00:05:19,970 --> 00:05:18,450 everybody there and and I think Randy 103 00:05:24,350 --> 00:05:19,980 really enjoyed himself that's for sure 104 00:05:25,820 --> 00:05:24,360 oh he did I'm sure he did but it was it 105 00:05:28,670 --> 00:05:25,830 was great all these people come up on 106 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:28,680 stage and they had video messages from 107 00:05:33,620 --> 00:05:30,930 Bill Nye and Adam Savage and all sorts 108 00:05:35,630 --> 00:05:33,630 of people that's crowd yes Criss Angel 109 00:05:37,460 --> 00:05:35,640 yes it was quite quite extraordinary 110 00:05:39,620 --> 00:05:37,470 quite amazing we might say and then 111 00:05:42,110 --> 00:05:39,630 Randy was dressed in his bright yellow 112 00:05:46,940 --> 00:05:42,120 hoodie he's where it was wearing his own 113 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:46,950 merchandise thank you wouldn't when I 114 00:05:49,730 --> 00:05:48,330 saw him earlier in the night when I 115 00:05:53,510 --> 00:05:49,740 walked into the room and he had are you 116 00:05:55,010 --> 00:05:53,520 back to me I thought who's this guy well 117 00:05:56,930 --> 00:05:55,020 there's a little chilly in these rooms 118 00:05:59,030 --> 00:05:56,940 here so you have to wear your your own 119 00:06:01,100 --> 00:05:59,040 sweatshirt it can be an it can be a yeah 120 00:06:03,770 --> 00:06:01,110 it can't be now Sharon tell me about 121 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:03,780 your current activities and projects um 122 00:06:10,310 --> 00:06:07,890 I we just got finished organizing tam so 123 00:06:13,370 --> 00:06:10,320 this is a big event for us and sort of 124 00:06:15,350 --> 00:06:13,380 that the team of us that that worked on 125 00:06:16,820 --> 00:06:15,360 this conference where we're very pleased 126 00:06:17,930 --> 00:06:16,830 with how it turned out so now I think 127 00:06:21,500 --> 00:06:17,940 we're going to take a couple days just 128 00:06:23,630 --> 00:06:21,510 just chill out and relax and and and 129 00:06:25,670 --> 00:06:23,640 think about all the things we heard and 130 00:06:28,730 --> 00:06:25,680 all the good feedback we got and ideas 131 00:06:32,030 --> 00:06:28,740 and and figure out what to do from here 132 00:06:33,740 --> 00:06:32,040 and then i'll just go back home and I'll 133 00:06:36,110 --> 00:06:33,750 continue with doubtful news that's my 134 00:06:37,900 --> 00:06:36,120 main project and I I think I even got a 135 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:37,910 couple good ideas about how to 136 00:06:43,450 --> 00:06:40,490 the site so for those people who don't 137 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:43,460 know and heavens they sure if they 138 00:06:47,380 --> 00:06:45,170 listen to the skeptic no know about 139 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:47,390 doubtful news how do they get started 140 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:49,370 and what's the whole idea well I think 141 00:06:54,700 --> 00:06:52,490 I'm on my fifth year and I got the idea 142 00:06:57,760 --> 00:06:54,710 after I came back from one tam and 143 00:06:59,560 --> 00:06:57,770 thought of what I could do as a blog so 144 00:07:02,290 --> 00:06:59,570 i started it out as a blog just looking 145 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:02,300 at news stories that were coming out and 146 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:05,570 maybe didn't have quite a skeptical view 147 00:07:08,590 --> 00:07:06,890 point to them and maybe there was some 148 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:08,600 questions that I I found in those 149 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:10,250 stories that we should be asking are 150 00:07:15,370 --> 00:07:12,770 they true what does this mean or there's 151 00:07:17,500 --> 00:07:15,380 information that's missing so that's how 152 00:07:19,450 --> 00:07:17,510 the blog got started and it's just 153 00:07:23,110 --> 00:07:19,460 continued to grow and mostly I deal with 154 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:23,120 all questionable claims but alternative 155 00:07:28,750 --> 00:07:26,170 medicine claims hoaxes miracles 156 00:07:30,970 --> 00:07:28,760 cryptozoology UFO sightings hauntings 157 00:07:32,500 --> 00:07:30,980 paranormal those are the kind of things 158 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:32,510 I'm interested in so that's what I get 159 00:07:37,540 --> 00:07:34,130 to write about that's interesting 160 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:37,550 because the add that we play on rotation 161 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:40,010 on the skeptic zone you say that the 162 00:07:44,230 --> 00:07:42,290 news story you just heard about is 163 00:07:48,070 --> 00:07:44,240 what's the truth behind that how do you 164 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:48,080 source things generally I have a set of 165 00:07:52,150 --> 00:07:50,570 news feeds that I look through and over 166 00:07:54,159 --> 00:07:52,160 the years I've learned which ones are 167 00:07:55,750 --> 00:07:54,169 good to get source material from and 168 00:07:57,220 --> 00:07:55,760 which ones I've discarded along the way 169 00:07:59,290 --> 00:07:57,230 because they're no good and of course 170 00:08:02,640 --> 00:07:59,300 people send me stories which I love no 171 00:08:05,020 --> 00:08:02,650 send me links on Twitter or via email or 172 00:08:07,930 --> 00:08:05,030 Facebook and I have a Facebook group 173 00:08:10,150 --> 00:08:07,940 that comes to me with stories as well 174 00:08:13,750 --> 00:08:10,160 and and sometimes I'll even feed out a 175 00:08:16,510 --> 00:08:13,760 story linked to my group which is called 176 00:08:20,260 --> 00:08:16,520 group a fort group of fort on facebook 177 00:08:21,159 --> 00:08:20,270 and I throw that out to the crowd and 178 00:08:22,870 --> 00:08:21,169 say what do you think about this story 179 00:08:25,330 --> 00:08:22,880 is there is there extra information 180 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:25,340 somewhere out there that I could source 181 00:08:29,830 --> 00:08:27,410 into the story and answer some 182 00:08:32,020 --> 00:08:29,840 interesting questions about it and often 183 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:32,030 times they give me good leads so I have 184 00:08:36,969 --> 00:08:34,370 a head start on a story that's out in 185 00:08:39,909 --> 00:08:36,979 the news and I have more background 186 00:08:41,680 --> 00:08:39,919 information about it so I'll write that 187 00:08:44,500 --> 00:08:41,690 up in a day or so I try to get it out as 188 00:08:46,420 --> 00:08:44,510 soon as possible yeah sometimes it takes 189 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:46,430 about three days for the major media 190 00:08:51,110 --> 00:08:49,730 outlets to pick up on a weird story so 191 00:08:54,410 --> 00:08:51,120 if i can get in 192 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:54,420 within that three days oftentimes people 193 00:08:58,610 --> 00:08:56,370 who read our site are ahead of the game 194 00:09:00,380 --> 00:08:58,620 before it appears on their Facebook feed 195 00:09:03,079 --> 00:09:00,390 from their friends and then they have a 196 00:09:05,420 --> 00:09:03,089 link that they could put in as sort of a 197 00:09:07,550 --> 00:09:05,430 rebuttal to the story or extra 198 00:09:10,070 --> 00:09:07,560 information and do you get much doubtful 199 00:09:12,380 --> 00:09:10,080 news from Australia I do get quite a bit 200 00:09:14,540 --> 00:09:12,390 I has that I do we have a lot of readers 201 00:09:16,250 --> 00:09:14,550 that are in Australia its way if you 202 00:09:18,530 --> 00:09:16,260 look on the map of hits you know in your 203 00:09:21,500 --> 00:09:18,540 Google Analytics you have the USA Canada 204 00:09:23,450 --> 00:09:21,510 and Australia is really big for us we do 205 00:09:26,540 --> 00:09:23,460 cover those stories there's a lot of 206 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:26,550 doubtful music it's great because then 207 00:09:31,820 --> 00:09:29,610 the the American audience gets to see 208 00:09:35,269 --> 00:09:31,830 how the Australians handled their their 209 00:09:36,890 --> 00:09:35,279 claims of alternative medicine and doing 210 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:36,900 various things that are going on there 211 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:39,450 so I think it's helpful for us as well 212 00:09:43,700 --> 00:09:41,250 because you think you guys have had such 213 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:43,710 successes in addressing some of those 214 00:09:47,090 --> 00:09:45,450 issues that it's good for us to learn 215 00:09:49,970 --> 00:09:47,100 from that well then that's that's good 216 00:09:51,530 --> 00:09:49,980 to hear and you must have just generally 217 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:51,540 speaking around the world there must 218 00:09:55,490 --> 00:09:53,850 have been some very doubtful stories he 219 00:09:58,760 --> 00:09:55,500 have come across over the years are 220 00:10:01,610 --> 00:09:58,770 there any standouts oh so many we did a 221 00:10:03,170 --> 00:10:01,620 lot because I am interested in the whole 222 00:10:05,210 --> 00:10:03,180 Bigfoot thing there was a bit of a 223 00:10:08,300 --> 00:10:05,220 Bigfoot blow up a couple years ago so we 224 00:10:09,769 --> 00:10:08,310 did cover those stories in the that were 225 00:10:11,810 --> 00:10:09,779 in the press either there were hoaxes or 226 00:10:14,810 --> 00:10:11,820 they were claims for scientific findings 227 00:10:16,670 --> 00:10:14,820 for Bigfoot and I could not help but 228 00:10:19,550 --> 00:10:16,680 cover those stories because I knew so 229 00:10:21,019 --> 00:10:19,560 much about them and to be honest we were 230 00:10:24,670 --> 00:10:21,029 the only skeptical site that did that 231 00:10:28,010 --> 00:10:24,680 hmm to the degree then that they'd made 232 00:10:30,769 --> 00:10:28,020 news and we were linked to by other 233 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:30,779 sites and then became a source for 234 00:10:35,449 --> 00:10:32,250 Bigfoot debunking and now it's not 235 00:10:37,850 --> 00:10:35,459 exactly the type of story I I prefer to 236 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:37,860 cover but it is interesting to me 237 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:40,170 because it was a portrayal of science 238 00:10:43,820 --> 00:10:42,330 where there was really a whole lot of 239 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:43,830 science going on there or there was bad 240 00:10:48,230 --> 00:10:45,930 science going on there so it was a way 241 00:10:49,820 --> 00:10:48,240 for me to illustrate why this wasn't 242 00:10:52,670 --> 00:10:49,830 good science or why we should be 243 00:10:54,680 --> 00:10:52,680 questioning it and I think that reached 244 00:10:57,800 --> 00:10:54,690 a lot of people other than that we 245 00:11:00,680 --> 00:10:57,810 talked about the latest UFO photos and 246 00:11:02,449 --> 00:11:00,690 why it's probably not real or we 247 00:11:04,220 --> 00:11:02,459 speculate on what it could be based on 248 00:11:08,090 --> 00:11:04,230 some evidence that we can 249 00:11:10,610 --> 00:11:08,100 they're ghosts photographs or one type 250 00:11:12,290 --> 00:11:10,620 of story I especially love that tends to 251 00:11:14,300 --> 00:11:12,300 go around on facebook all your friends 252 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:14,310 will link to the mystery carcass that is 253 00:11:19,370 --> 00:11:16,650 washed up on the beach it's course it's 254 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:19,380 an alien the mutant it's a monster its 255 00:11:25,490 --> 00:11:22,890 most species yes it's usually at half 256 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:25,500 rotted sea creature yeah and what's very 257 00:11:29,780 --> 00:11:27,330 surprising is a lot of these stories 258 00:11:32,300 --> 00:11:29,790 come in from these these pulp presses 259 00:11:34,820 --> 00:11:32,310 like the you're not sure if they're real 260 00:11:36,410 --> 00:11:34,830 news outlets or not but people tend to 261 00:11:38,750 --> 00:11:36,420 link to them and treat them as if they 262 00:11:42,020 --> 00:11:38,760 are real news outlets but it's just the 263 00:11:44,390 --> 00:11:42,030 sensational tabloid e stories and if 264 00:11:45,770 --> 00:11:44,400 they had asked a zoologist what is this 265 00:11:48,680 --> 00:11:45,780 thing they could look at it and 266 00:11:51,170 --> 00:11:48,690 immediately say it's a rotten whale you 267 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:51,180 can tell by the skeletal features yeah 268 00:11:55,580 --> 00:11:53,610 for some reason that part of the story 269 00:11:57,530 --> 00:11:55,590 ends up at the bottom or never gets 270 00:12:00,080 --> 00:11:57,540 mentioned at all we like to put it up in 271 00:12:02,770 --> 00:12:00,090 the top what do they say why let the 272 00:12:06,140 --> 00:12:02,780 facts ruin a good story exactly and and 273 00:12:08,630 --> 00:12:06,150 you know that's that's the big thing 274 00:12:10,070 --> 00:12:08,640 that we have to combat is these types of 275 00:12:12,980 --> 00:12:10,080 stories we understand that they're fun 276 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:12,990 they're fun to pass around but we would 277 00:12:17,420 --> 00:12:15,170 like to get out more of a fact-based 278 00:12:18,770 --> 00:12:17,430 answer to those questions for people who 279 00:12:20,390 --> 00:12:18,780 might be interested in what the real 280 00:12:22,490 --> 00:12:20,400 story is do you have much interaction 281 00:12:24,710 --> 00:12:22,500 from the mainstream media to do 282 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:24,720 mainstream come to you once in a while 283 00:12:31,850 --> 00:12:28,410 it's always nice to get a link to places 284 00:12:33,890 --> 00:12:31,860 like Discovery News or ABC News or 285 00:12:36,140 --> 00:12:33,900 helping huffington post obesity we have 286 00:12:38,390 --> 00:12:36,150 a person who writes for NBC News who 287 00:12:40,550 --> 00:12:38,400 also quotes are links a lot which is 288 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:40,560 nice and of course that brings in some 289 00:12:46,820 --> 00:12:44,610 new audience which we like maybe a good 290 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:46,830 way to reach people is by putting those 291 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:48,330 links out there in places where they may 292 00:12:53,750 --> 00:12:51,170 not we may not be able to reach and 293 00:12:55,430 --> 00:12:53,760 that's what that that's my greatest 294 00:12:56,930 --> 00:12:55,440 satisfaction other than the times where 295 00:12:58,760 --> 00:12:56,940 people come in and say you've you've got 296 00:13:02,930 --> 00:12:58,770 a great website we really like the tone 297 00:13:06,770 --> 00:13:02,940 and the the reason that we're promoting 298 00:13:08,660 --> 00:13:06,780 as opposed to all the nonsense that may 299 00:13:10,310 --> 00:13:08,670 come out in your normal newsfeed and I 300 00:13:14,450 --> 00:13:10,320 think people like that they can answer 301 00:13:16,430 --> 00:13:14,460 their social media with one of our links 302 00:13:18,230 --> 00:13:16,440 and say hey here's more about that story 303 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:18,240 and link to to our site which is 304 00:13:21,740 --> 00:13:20,130 great you know I feel great when that 305 00:13:23,180 --> 00:13:21,750 happens that's fantastic 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rejuvenated again and it we had a great 334 00:14:34,699 --> 00:14:32,399 time didn't we we didn't we did it it's 335 00:14:37,069 --> 00:14:34,709 been it's been a wonderful time it's 336 00:14:39,139 --> 00:14:37,079 still going on as we record this of 337 00:14:41,300 --> 00:14:39,149 course with gold most of sunday to get 338 00:14:42,980 --> 00:14:41,310 through and still some great speakers to 339 00:14:44,340 --> 00:14:42,990 go absolutely in the million dollar 340 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:44,350 challenge 341 00:14:55,140 --> 00:14:47,530 then we can relax right but without 342 00:14:57,230 --> 00:14:55,150 sharon hill thank you thank you it's tam 343 00:14:59,520 --> 00:14:57,240 13 and is wrapping up who had a 344 00:15:01,560 --> 00:14:59,530 wonderful time many interesting talks 345 00:15:03,660 --> 00:15:01,570 and presentations and i've bumped into 346 00:15:05,790 --> 00:15:03,670 an old friend of mine Bruce M hood hello 347 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:05,800 Bruce hey Richard hey Dean i'm fine good 348 00:15:10,290 --> 00:15:07,930 to see you back in las vegas oh yeah of 349 00:15:12,150 --> 00:15:10,300 course this is a city of sin isn't it 350 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:12,160 yeah not surprised to find ourselves 351 00:15:17,100 --> 00:15:15,370 here again once more yeah skeptics 352 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:17,110 convention in the casino always strikes 353 00:15:21,510 --> 00:15:18,970 me as odd because isn't it Oh skeptics 354 00:15:22,770 --> 00:15:21,520 aren't go to go yeah you know actually I 355 00:15:25,980 --> 00:15:22,780 made a big faux pas yesterday I was 356 00:15:28,710 --> 00:15:25,990 sitting at the breakfast table and there 357 00:15:30,540 --> 00:15:28,720 was I was pouting off why I thought it 358 00:15:32,130 --> 00:15:30,550 was terrible at Las Vegas and even 359 00:15:34,710 --> 00:15:32,140 existed and I was giving all my kind of 360 00:15:36,630 --> 00:15:34,720 you know liberal views and then all my 361 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:36,640 issues of climate change and of course 362 00:15:40,110 --> 00:15:38,410 sitting at the table a whole bunch of 363 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:40,120 local Las Vegas people and I just 364 00:15:44,090 --> 00:15:42,010 realized i can now put two feet in my 365 00:15:47,070 --> 00:15:44,100 mouth at the same time simultaneously so 366 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:47,080 yeah yeah i have issues with vegas but 367 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:49,210 you know i'm sure it's a very naive 368 00:15:54,570 --> 00:15:53,410 position of taking maybe so maybe who 369 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:54,580 knows i'll be nice to see this well 370 00:15:57,360 --> 00:15:55,930 interesting to see if it's still here in 371 00:16:00,030 --> 00:15:57,370 30 years I think that's an interesting 372 00:16:03,420 --> 00:16:00,040 question I wonder I wonder to you do one 373 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:03,430 I always like to see that the bond movie 374 00:16:07,590 --> 00:16:06,130 diamonds are forever yeah Sean Connery 375 00:16:10,910 --> 00:16:07,600 driving up and down the Las Vegas Strip 376 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:10,920 in 1971 right right fascinating 377 00:16:15,889 --> 00:16:13,290 time snap yeah well apparently there are 378 00:16:18,769 --> 00:16:15,899 no 2 million people here so sweetly yeah 379 00:16:21,139 --> 00:16:18,779 I just couldn't believe it Wow but yeah 380 00:16:23,300 --> 00:16:21,149 all the data suggests that this is a 381 00:16:25,220 --> 00:16:23,310 city with a you know limited time span 382 00:16:27,259 --> 00:16:25,230 but you know if you throw enough money a 383 00:16:29,269 --> 00:16:27,269 problem in ER so there's enough money 384 00:16:33,530 --> 00:16:29,279 thrown around this joint good lord yeah 385 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:33,540 if you see the bar bills that's a new 386 00:16:36,530 --> 00:16:35,490 way they make my baby that's right they 387 00:16:39,079 --> 00:16:36,540 can all get all these gullible 388 00:16:40,730 --> 00:16:39,089 scientists these suckers are supposed to 389 00:16:43,850 --> 00:16:40,740 be smart we'll just kind of show a less 390 00:16:46,879 --> 00:16:43,860 nerdy they don't gamble with a yeah 391 00:16:48,530 --> 00:16:46,889 that's right yeah so what's happening 392 00:16:51,430 --> 00:16:48,540 with you Bruce at the moment what's 393 00:16:53,569 --> 00:16:51,440 what's the object you up is doing ok so 394 00:16:55,100 --> 00:16:53,579 I'm still doing the book writing thing 395 00:16:56,540 --> 00:16:55,110 but this year one of the reasons I came 396 00:16:59,689 --> 00:16:56,550 to time as I wanted to promote a new 397 00:17:02,660 --> 00:16:59,699 website which launched earlier this year 398 00:17:03,949 --> 00:17:02,670 it's called speakeasies org and where 399 00:17:05,990 --> 00:17:03,959 you want to spell speakeasy because it's 400 00:17:09,949 --> 00:17:06,000 radio of courses speak normally spelled 401 00:17:13,429 --> 00:17:09,959 but easy double e org this is a website 402 00:17:15,169 --> 00:17:13,439 which connects audiences with experts so 403 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:15,179 you can go on and you can search for 404 00:17:18,470 --> 00:17:17,010 experts who have volunteered to give 405 00:17:21,620 --> 00:17:18,480 their time to talk about the area of 406 00:17:24,650 --> 00:17:21,630 expertise to interest groups so it's 407 00:17:27,650 --> 00:17:24,660 primarily for a voluntary type of 408 00:17:29,750 --> 00:17:27,660 engagement and we launched it in 409 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:29,760 February in the UK now there's over a 410 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:32,250 thousand speakers and it's starting to 411 00:17:36,169 --> 00:17:34,290 take off in other countries system in 412 00:17:38,450 --> 00:17:36,179 Australia and there's obviously some 413 00:17:40,010 --> 00:17:38,460 here in the US and so I'm just on the 414 00:17:41,500 --> 00:17:40,020 road promoting it trying to get people 415 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:41,510 interested I want to get to a situation 416 00:17:46,430 --> 00:17:44,250 where it'll be very easy to organize 417 00:17:48,110 --> 00:17:46,440 your own speaker events you know pop-up 418 00:17:49,610 --> 00:17:48,120 events rather than having to travel 419 00:17:50,930 --> 00:17:49,620 halfway around the world to go and see 420 00:17:52,310 --> 00:17:50,940 someone you know you'll be able to do it 421 00:17:55,850 --> 00:17:52,320 much more regularly free CLE but that 422 00:17:59,990 --> 00:17:55,860 requires numbers and requires a way the 423 00:18:02,150 --> 00:18:00,000 people to gain access to these speakers 424 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:02,160 yeah speakers they might not even have 425 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:02,570 known 426 00:18:06,430 --> 00:18:04,490 before yes so it's for people who 427 00:18:08,470 --> 00:18:06,440 already established in this in the you 428 00:18:09,909 --> 00:18:08,480 know who already put on events but it 429 00:18:11,259 --> 00:18:09,919 also is for people who want to start 430 00:18:13,419 --> 00:18:11,269 their own I mean if there's enough 431 00:18:14,649 --> 00:18:13,429 people in the area one of the big 432 00:18:16,180 --> 00:18:14,659 problems is trying to find you know 433 00:18:18,159 --> 00:18:16,190 people who are willing to come talk so 434 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:18,169 again if it not people get onto the 435 00:18:22,299 --> 00:18:20,450 system then that should work and you 436 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:22,309 know my experience with academics most 437 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:23,690 of them are really quite happy to come 438 00:18:27,009 --> 00:18:25,250 and talk about their areas of expertise 439 00:18:28,749 --> 00:18:27,019 but probably about only one in 20 of 440 00:18:30,370 --> 00:18:28,759 them are any good at it so so I think 441 00:18:32,529 --> 00:18:30,380 that we've got to be realistic but not 442 00:18:34,810 --> 00:18:32,539 everyone is a great sign skiing again I 443 00:18:36,009 --> 00:18:34,820 think I know what you mean I know what 444 00:18:38,259 --> 00:18:36,019 you mean but yeah I'm sure there are a 445 00:18:39,999 --> 00:18:38,269 lot of people would be very happy to 446 00:18:42,009 --> 00:18:40,009 sure and the other thing it work and 447 00:18:43,930 --> 00:18:42,019 it's not just science as well it's our 448 00:18:46,029 --> 00:18:43,940 it's every area of expertise loosely 449 00:18:48,310 --> 00:18:46,039 defined at the moment the only criterion 450 00:18:49,659 --> 00:18:48,320 is that they have to have a degree well 451 00:18:51,220 --> 00:18:49,669 that's because we originally aimed at 452 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:51,230 the universities and so we wanted to 453 00:18:54,490 --> 00:18:53,210 kind of tackle and capture their 454 00:18:56,110 --> 00:18:54,500 audiences but actually there are many 455 00:18:59,320 --> 00:18:56,120 experts outside in industry and 456 00:19:01,180 --> 00:18:59,330 businesses so we're not it's not 457 00:19:02,799 --> 00:19:01,190 restricted to academics right what were 458 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:02,809 you thinking James rain he doesn't have 459 00:19:06,190 --> 00:19:04,850 them degree yeah I mean I think he's got 460 00:19:08,350 --> 00:19:06,200 honorary doctorates here well that's 461 00:19:09,519 --> 00:19:08,360 good enough for us yeah yeah but whether 462 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:09,529 you'd be willing to come out and do it 463 00:19:12,759 --> 00:19:11,450 yeah I mean there's a that's the problem 464 00:19:14,350 --> 00:19:12,769 is that the because the people who are 465 00:19:16,180 --> 00:19:14,360 good at it get better and they're asked 466 00:19:18,070 --> 00:19:16,190 all the time to do it but that that's a 467 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:18,080 self-fulfilling prophecy so this is an 468 00:19:21,700 --> 00:19:19,970 attempt to democratize level the playing 469 00:19:24,100 --> 00:19:21,710 field allow other people the opportunity 470 00:19:25,509 --> 00:19:24,110 loose or you know at least put 471 00:19:27,669 --> 00:19:25,519 themselves forward for what's the 472 00:19:29,529 --> 00:19:27,679 reaction being like sir it's great no 473 00:19:31,269 --> 00:19:29,539 one is thought it's a crazy idea you 474 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:31,279 know sounds like a great yeah people say 475 00:19:34,509 --> 00:19:32,690 what's the catch and then there's no 476 00:19:36,100 --> 00:19:34,519 catch it is free and it's free to event 477 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:36,110 organizers unless they start to charge 478 00:19:38,590 --> 00:19:37,250 and then we might step in and say oh 479 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:38,600 well hold a second you she gives the 480 00:19:41,259 --> 00:19:40,250 money back to the speaker all right some 481 00:19:43,509 --> 00:19:41,269 people using I've actually already 482 00:19:44,649 --> 00:19:43,519 offered fees to speakers but we don't 483 00:19:46,389 --> 00:19:44,659 step in we don't get involved from the 484 00:19:49,450 --> 00:19:46,399 negotiation ok I just want to see this 485 00:19:50,619 --> 00:19:49,460 become the way that we contact and 486 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:50,629 communicate because if you think about 487 00:19:53,799 --> 00:19:52,250 it you know if you put in all the effort 488 00:19:56,110 --> 00:19:53,809 to put a speech together and talk 489 00:19:58,210 --> 00:19:56,120 together it's trivially easy just to 490 00:19:59,980 --> 00:19:58,220 give it again so there's a sense of 491 00:20:03,820 --> 00:19:59,990 recycling it usually gets a lot of sense 492 00:20:06,259 --> 00:20:03,830 well new audience new audiences critical 493 00:20:12,139 --> 00:20:06,269 thinking I give the same talk every year 494 00:20:14,690 --> 00:20:12,149 haha 29 yeah yeah so um it's it's on 495 00:20:16,369 --> 00:20:14,700 paper it should work but I mustn't 496 00:20:17,570 --> 00:20:16,379 underestimate the amount of effort it 497 00:20:20,539 --> 00:20:17,580 takes to get a good because i'm using 498 00:20:22,129 --> 00:20:20,549 social networking to try and launch it 499 00:20:24,019 --> 00:20:22,139 but you know we don't have any budget or 500 00:20:25,159 --> 00:20:24,029 backers at the moment well actually must 501 00:20:28,639 --> 00:20:25,169 retrieve bristol university of 502 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:28,649 supporting it and so yeah hopefully i'll 503 00:20:32,659 --> 00:20:30,570 look at it again in one year's time and 504 00:20:34,039 --> 00:20:32,669 we'll see what's going to happen you 505 00:20:36,199 --> 00:20:34,049 know how big we've grown at that point 506 00:20:39,499 --> 00:20:36,209 how can l listen as help oh sure well 507 00:20:41,690 --> 00:20:39,509 there's anyone there who is a expert and 508 00:20:44,089 --> 00:20:41,700 has a talk that they might want to give 509 00:20:46,159 --> 00:20:44,099 just register on the side and then once 510 00:20:48,619 --> 00:20:46,169 that reaches a critical mass then we'll 511 00:20:51,109 --> 00:20:48,629 contact event organizers so for example 512 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:51,119 if i search in Perth or Sydney wherever 513 00:20:55,339 --> 00:20:53,129 I can see well there might be 20 30 514 00:20:57,379 --> 00:20:55,349 people then I'll come contact either a 515 00:20:59,299 --> 00:20:57,389 group and say have you found out about 516 00:21:00,709 --> 00:20:59,309 this do you want to use this so that's 517 00:21:03,019 --> 00:21:00,719 the way that that's the more we build 518 00:21:04,609 --> 00:21:03,029 critical mass and then we target the 519 00:21:05,839 --> 00:21:04,619 event organizers to look at them up 520 00:21:07,129 --> 00:21:05,849 because you've got it's a chicken egg 521 00:21:08,690 --> 00:21:07,139 proper you got to have the speakers 522 00:21:10,399 --> 00:21:08,700 there in order for them to have the 523 00:21:12,169 --> 00:21:10,409 invitations it's certainly a global 524 00:21:13,789 --> 00:21:12,179 thing okay that yeah absolutely yeah 525 00:21:16,399 --> 00:21:13,799 it's working in England as I say is 526 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:16,409 working the southwest where I'm based so 527 00:21:20,719 --> 00:21:18,450 as I said we've had over a thousand 528 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:20,729 speakers and 350 invitations have gone 529 00:21:24,459 --> 00:21:23,129 on for months that's not bad that's all 530 00:21:27,889 --> 00:21:24,469 bad is it no I think it's gonna work 531 00:21:29,690 --> 00:21:27,899 yeah so yeah it should do all right well 532 00:21:32,149 --> 00:21:29,700 Bruce again great to see you back here 533 00:21:34,069 --> 00:21:32,159 in Las Vegas I think we should run 534 00:21:37,549 --> 00:21:34,079 upstairs now to the casinos and try out 535 00:21:40,009 --> 00:21:37,559 luck yeah at the barrel or the blackjack 536 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:40,019 table I don't know peach yeah okay 537 00:22:04,150 --> 00:22:00,820 the cosmos is amazing world famous 538 00:22:06,780 --> 00:22:04,160 astrophysicist dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson 539 00:22:09,490 --> 00:22:06,790 he's touring Australia this August 540 00:22:11,620 --> 00:22:09,500 inspirational smart and funny he'll take 541 00:22:13,930 --> 00:22:11,630 you on his personal tour of the universe 542 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:13,940 there are still more questions to be 543 00:22:19,870 --> 00:22:17,210 explored melbourne brisbane sydney and 544 00:22:21,660 --> 00:22:19,880 canberra monster days in your cosmic 545 00:22:24,550 --> 00:22:21,670 calendar for this once-in-a-lifetime 546 00:22:31,780 --> 00:22:24,560 experience tickets on sale now as 547 00:22:34,630 --> 00:22:31,790 thinking to ogden a you welcome to 548 00:22:38,350 --> 00:22:34,640 weaken science from RI oz bring you the 549 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:38,360 science you need to know a clone covered 550 00:22:44,260 --> 00:22:41,330 in wax with the toxic center believe it 551 00:22:45,970 --> 00:22:44,270 or not talking about apples so let's 552 00:22:54,380 --> 00:22:45,980 take a look at the secret science of 553 00:22:58,890 --> 00:22:56,790 so you can't compare apples and oranges 554 00:23:01,260 --> 00:22:58,900 but if you look at reproductive traits 555 00:23:04,050 --> 00:23:01,270 turns out you can compare apples and 556 00:23:05,970 --> 00:23:04,060 humans say you had a really yummy apple 557 00:23:08,010 --> 00:23:05,980 and so you thought I'm going to plant 558 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:08,020 these seeds and then I can enjoy these 559 00:23:12,360 --> 00:23:10,690 delicious apples forever oh sorry to be 560 00:23:15,990 --> 00:23:12,370 the ones tell you you're out of luck 561 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:16,000 apples like humans are heterozygous this 562 00:23:19,830 --> 00:23:17,770 just means the offspring will be 563 00:23:22,770 --> 00:23:19,840 different to their parents for apples 564 00:23:24,870 --> 00:23:22,780 are extreme hexagons this means the 565 00:23:27,630 --> 00:23:24,880 genetic variation will be so diverse 566 00:23:30,780 --> 00:23:27,640 that apples grown from seeds will rarely 567 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:30,790 bear any resemblance to their parent but 568 00:23:34,410 --> 00:23:32,170 of course there must be a way of 569 00:23:39,030 --> 00:23:34,420 reliably growing apple varieties and 570 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:39,040 it's grafting every single apple on the 571 00:23:44,340 --> 00:23:41,530 market is a clone of its original wild 572 00:23:47,010 --> 00:23:44,350 tree so for instance every Red Delicious 573 00:23:49,740 --> 00:23:47,020 is a clone of the very first Red 574 00:23:53,100 --> 00:23:49,750 Delicious that randomly grew in fact of 575 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:53,110 3,000 known varieties just 10 make up 576 00:23:57,060 --> 00:23:54,490 seventy percent of the world's 577 00:23:59,190 --> 00:23:57,070 population of apples but farming one 578 00:24:01,500 --> 00:23:59,200 variety like this caught a monoculture 579 00:24:04,140 --> 00:24:01,510 can be a problem when it comes to 580 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:04,150 disease and pest resistance so 581 00:24:09,210 --> 00:24:06,250 researchers are looking to the Past for 582 00:24:11,850 --> 00:24:09,220 answers cornell university maintains an 583 00:24:13,790 --> 00:24:11,860 orchard in new york state dedicated to 584 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:13,800 preserving wild varieties and 585 00:24:18,420 --> 00:24:16,210 geneticists plant pathologists and 586 00:24:20,730 --> 00:24:18,430 breeders are working together to make 587 00:24:23,220 --> 00:24:20,740 commercial apples a whole lot harder and 588 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:23,230 now for fast facts about the humble 589 00:24:29,730 --> 00:24:27,490 apple historians think that depictions 590 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:29,740 of eve biting an apple should probably 591 00:24:34,590 --> 00:24:32,410 instead feature a pomegranate apples 592 00:24:37,410 --> 00:24:34,600 originated in the forests of Kazakhstan 593 00:24:39,810 --> 00:24:37,420 in Central Asia they develop a natural 594 00:24:42,660 --> 00:24:39,820 coating of wax which is safe to eat and 595 00:24:45,120 --> 00:24:42,670 we don't actually digest and apple seeds 596 00:24:47,490 --> 00:24:45,130 have a very very small amount of a 597 00:24:49,830 --> 00:24:47,500 cyanide compound that's it for this week 598 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:49,840 in science for more information on 599 00:24:56,730 --> 00:24:53,170 Apple's go to the ra oz website RI au 600 00:24:59,850 --> 00:24:56,740 esta org a you follow us on twitter at 601 00:25:11,150 --> 00:24:59,860 RI oz and like us on facebook i'm ben 602 00:25:21,300 --> 00:25:18,750 last three Lucy I mean as a video fear 603 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:21,310 of Islamic law be so skeptical museum 604 00:25:24,900 --> 00:25:23,050 was not Anastasia Katrina hooded cars 605 00:25:26,850 --> 00:25:24,910 the divinity of Austria it algebra 606 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:26,860 grampa tsuchikage podcast Petrova hooded 607 00:25:31,110 --> 00:25:28,930 cardigan but Gospels whites escaped 608 00:25:36,470 --> 00:25:31,120 aside that emerged is not an irradiated 609 00:25:38,730 --> 00:25:36,480 st at the web / skeptics society Rajguru 610 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:38,740 everybody my name is carol and i'm the 611 00:25:42,180 --> 00:25:40,810 founder of skeptics society russia come 612 00:25:44,340 --> 00:25:42,190 visit us in moscow and our bi-weekly 613 00:25:46,470 --> 00:25:44,350 meetings and also listen to our weekly 614 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:46,480 podcast which is called skeptic and the 615 00:26:06,100 --> 00:25:48,010 site where you can find all that is 616 00:26:12,620 --> 00:26:10,159 what an amazing meeting it is never 617 00:26:15,289 --> 00:26:12,630 ending I think well I'm strolling up the 618 00:26:17,150 --> 00:26:15,299 giant corridor here ahead of me people 619 00:26:19,909 --> 00:26:17,160 are rushing out to get their coffee and 620 00:26:21,529 --> 00:26:19,919 donuts and heaven knows what rushing 621 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:21,539 along with me is none other than Ben 622 00:26:25,669 --> 00:26:23,850 Radford hello Ben hello there are good 623 00:26:26,930 --> 00:26:25,679 morning good morning and this is a good 624 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:26,940 morning it's been a good time have you 625 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:29,490 been enjoying town I have I have it was 626 00:26:34,549 --> 00:26:31,530 kind of a last-minute thing for me but I 627 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:34,559 gotta actually got a request from Randy 628 00:26:40,820 --> 00:26:38,010 to be here and I can't turn the man down 629 00:26:42,350 --> 00:26:40,830 so I was that's a golden rule isn't it 630 00:26:43,909 --> 00:26:42,360 if Andy asking you to do something you 631 00:26:46,700 --> 00:26:43,919 think for about three seconds and say 632 00:26:48,890 --> 00:26:46,710 yeah how many times we want you to do it 633 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:48,900 yeah that's right yeah I'm gonna take 634 00:26:51,919 --> 00:26:50,250 this so is this looks of things 635 00:26:55,190 --> 00:26:51,929 happening around seven members we stroll 636 00:26:56,450 --> 00:26:55,200 up the corridor here now i I've noticed 637 00:26:59,240 --> 00:26:56,460 you've been doing quite a lot of media 638 00:27:01,610 --> 00:26:59,250 lately Barry yeah yeah I've been busy 639 00:27:04,010 --> 00:27:01,620 with i just finished taping a couple 640 00:27:06,950 --> 00:27:04,020 episodes for a TV show called America 641 00:27:10,250 --> 00:27:06,960 fact vs fiction oh they had beyond 642 00:27:14,539 --> 00:27:10,260 talking about the Roswell story and area 643 00:27:16,820 --> 00:27:14,549 51 does it surprise you that Roswell is 644 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:16,830 still in the popular imagination 645 00:27:22,700 --> 00:27:20,570 you know it it does a little bit 646 00:27:24,980 --> 00:27:22,710 especially for how thoroughly it's been 647 00:27:28,279 --> 00:27:24,990 debunked I mean it's not it's not it's 648 00:27:30,889 --> 00:27:28,289 not a genuine mystery in that you know 649 00:27:32,779 --> 00:27:30,899 we have no idea what's gone it's it's 650 00:27:34,970 --> 00:27:32,789 it's very much a manufactured mystery 651 00:27:39,139 --> 00:27:34,980 we're gonna step out these giant doors 652 00:27:43,430 --> 00:27:39,149 here help into the Las Vegas day oh very 653 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:46,399 and we're in the sort of the outside 654 00:27:57,070 --> 00:27:54,940 oh you helicopters everywhere so you 655 00:27:58,840 --> 00:27:57,080 know we're in a war film you see a lot 656 00:28:00,310 --> 00:27:58,850 of helicopters in Las Vegas don't you 657 00:28:01,899 --> 00:28:00,320 you do it well you know you've got you 658 00:28:03,580 --> 00:28:01,909 there's also the airport I mean we're 659 00:28:04,779 --> 00:28:03,590 right next to the area all right next to 660 00:28:07,630 --> 00:28:04,789 the end of course you got the tourist 661 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:07,640 helicopter is all that so I have noticed 662 00:28:10,990 --> 00:28:09,650 a lot whenever I get it looks very 663 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:11,000 pleasant outing today it's not yes 664 00:28:15,820 --> 00:28:13,210 Hardison has been no it gets you know I 665 00:28:17,740 --> 00:28:15,830 for me I'm used to the heat because I 666 00:28:20,950 --> 00:28:17,750 live in New Mexico which of course is 667 00:28:23,950 --> 00:28:20,960 the desert of the the Southwest but it 668 00:28:25,539 --> 00:28:23,960 isn't it isn't ok so I'm usually he but 669 00:28:27,399 --> 00:28:25,549 it's it like it but they say it's a dry 670 00:28:29,980 --> 00:28:27,409 heat so it's not too bad I like dry heat 671 00:28:33,970 --> 00:28:29,990 coming from Sydney Australia wait which 672 00:28:36,310 --> 00:28:33,980 is wet soggy but so we're talking about 673 00:28:38,950 --> 00:28:36,320 popular imagination and I mean you've 674 00:28:40,539 --> 00:28:38,960 had vast experience in what we all do 675 00:28:42,549 --> 00:28:40,549 the paranormal and chasing this sort of 676 00:28:44,020 --> 00:28:42,559 stuff so Roswell step stack in the 677 00:28:47,049 --> 00:28:44,030 popular imagination for a lot longer 678 00:28:48,850 --> 00:28:47,059 than probably should have what else in 679 00:28:50,740 --> 00:28:48,860 your opinion what it really hangs in 680 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:50,750 there I mean things come and go right 681 00:28:55,210 --> 00:28:52,610 right right you you know i think the the 682 00:28:58,000 --> 00:28:55,220 the most obvious one in the most common 683 00:29:00,870 --> 00:28:58,010 one today is ghosts um y'all you know 684 00:29:03,220 --> 00:29:00,880 ghosts were gonna ghost never die right 685 00:29:05,860 --> 00:29:03,230 thank you thank you goodnight eggs were 686 00:29:07,149 --> 00:29:05,870 good um well it's because obviously 687 00:29:09,010 --> 00:29:07,159 there there's always been an interesting 688 00:29:11,649 --> 00:29:09,020 ghosts and spirits and in the afterlife 689 00:29:12,970 --> 00:29:11,659 but what's what's different and part of 690 00:29:15,580 --> 00:29:12,980 the reason it's so popular today of 691 00:29:17,770 --> 00:29:15,590 course is that the the TV show ghost 692 00:29:19,930 --> 00:29:17,780 hunters it's essentially democratized 693 00:29:22,299 --> 00:29:19,940 the notion of ghost hunting whereas you 694 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:22,309 know in 1800s there you know the 695 00:29:26,020 --> 00:29:24,530 Victorian woman would hold séances and 696 00:29:29,279 --> 00:29:26,030 they'd have you know tea and crumpets 697 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:29,289 and contacting the dead for an afternoon 698 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:32,690 and then and then you had spiritualism 699 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:35,090 of course oh but let's be straight there 700 00:29:41,530 --> 00:29:37,850 it is again and so you have you have you 701 00:29:43,750 --> 00:29:41,540 have spiritualism the 1800s 1900s and so 702 00:29:46,060 --> 00:29:43,760 on but it wasn't really until I would 703 00:29:48,850 --> 00:29:46,070 say the last 20 years or so the ghost 704 00:29:51,940 --> 00:29:48,860 hunting has really become democratized 705 00:29:54,010 --> 00:29:51,950 and the subject of popular every day you 706 00:29:55,990 --> 00:29:54,020 know weekend warrior type people and 707 00:29:59,350 --> 00:29:56,000 everybody in that dog seems to have 708 00:30:01,630 --> 00:29:59,360 these ghost hunting meters and yes and 709 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:01,640 the night vision oh that's what you need 710 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:03,530 is you need the camera night vision and 711 00:30:07,570 --> 00:30:05,570 away you go right well it just is just 712 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:07,580 astonishing I'm actually working on a 713 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:10,490 book on on on ghost skeptical and ghost 714 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:13,850 investigation and it's a I didn't really 715 00:30:17,380 --> 00:30:15,170 want to write it but I realized that I 716 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:17,390 had written so much on over the past 15 717 00:30:21,460 --> 00:30:19,490 years that I might as well sort of 718 00:30:23,860 --> 00:30:21,470 collect it together and put it out there 719 00:30:28,090 --> 00:30:23,870 so hopefully that'll be out maybe later 720 00:30:30,490 --> 00:30:28,100 this year fantastic now this is crazy I 721 00:30:32,980 --> 00:30:30,500 mean they're doing it just to annoy you 722 00:30:36,430 --> 00:30:32,990 think I am you know this is the truth 723 00:30:39,260 --> 00:30:36,440 listeners to their ghetto it's a red one 724 00:30:41,090 --> 00:30:39,270 look at that its a bright red one 725 00:30:50,169 --> 00:30:41,100 this is the sound of a las vegas 726 00:30:55,149 --> 00:30:53,019 very modern looking yes often when i go 727 00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:55,159 to start to record bits for the skeptic 728 00:31:00,730 --> 00:30:57,850 zone one skeptic zone when i'm at home 729 00:31:04,389 --> 00:31:00,740 i'll press the record button i say hello 730 00:31:06,220 --> 00:31:04,399 and welcome to it in something near so 731 00:31:09,489 --> 00:31:06,230 folks so many times i haven't had to 732 00:31:11,499 --> 00:31:09,499 redo it and now you're as i was saying 733 00:31:12,639 --> 00:31:11,509 you've certainly investigated many 734 00:31:14,019 --> 00:31:12,649 things one of the things that you're 735 00:31:16,419 --> 00:31:14,029 particularly known for is your 736 00:31:19,180 --> 00:31:16,429 investigation into psychic detectives 737 00:31:22,149 --> 00:31:19,190 yes so guess second context people who 738 00:31:23,859 --> 00:31:22,159 claim that they help the police yeah and 739 00:31:27,159 --> 00:31:23,869 it's one of its one of my bugbears 740 00:31:29,710 --> 00:31:27,169 because as we know that they hinder 741 00:31:32,169 --> 00:31:29,720 police if anything they do and that's 742 00:31:34,810 --> 00:31:32,179 you know that's that is one of the the 743 00:31:37,749 --> 00:31:34,820 the subject I'm most passionate about 744 00:31:40,180 --> 00:31:37,759 because you know if it's ghosts or Tupac 745 00:31:43,180 --> 00:31:40,190 abras or Bigfoot over else it there's 746 00:31:45,730 --> 00:31:43,190 not there's not a huge cost in believing 747 00:31:47,049 --> 00:31:45,740 it okay so you spend thirty bucks on DVD 748 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:47,059 maybe you spend a weekend looking for 749 00:31:52,029 --> 00:31:50,330 Bigfoot but with with psychics & psychic 750 00:31:53,470 --> 00:31:52,039 detectives it's a very different matter 751 00:31:55,090 --> 00:31:53,480 as you know if you're dealing with 752 00:31:56,980 --> 00:31:55,100 people's emotions doing people who've 753 00:31:58,840 --> 00:31:56,990 been exploited yes and people who are 754 00:32:00,549 --> 00:31:58,850 vulnerable because either they're 755 00:32:02,409 --> 00:32:00,559 they're missing a family member or 756 00:32:04,149 --> 00:32:02,419 they're looking for answers maybe 757 00:32:06,519 --> 00:32:04,159 they've just contracted disease they're 758 00:32:08,799 --> 00:32:06,529 looking for guidance and so you know 759 00:32:12,129 --> 00:32:08,809 these are inherently vulnerable people 760 00:32:13,899 --> 00:32:12,139 boner population and even though you 761 00:32:16,029 --> 00:32:13,909 know many of the psychics that I've 762 00:32:17,889 --> 00:32:16,039 encountered in research many of them are 763 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:17,899 sincere that they genuinely believe they 764 00:32:21,549 --> 00:32:19,730 have these abilities the problem is that 765 00:32:23,470 --> 00:32:21,559 they don't I don't care whether you 766 00:32:24,909 --> 00:32:23,480 believe it or not you don't and yeah you 767 00:32:27,369 --> 00:32:24,919 can't you can't perform what you're 768 00:32:28,690 --> 00:32:27,379 claiming to do and oftentimes they're 769 00:32:30,580 --> 00:32:28,700 hurting people and you know there's many 770 00:32:34,810 --> 00:32:30,590 cases that boys Sylvia Browne of course 771 00:32:36,970 --> 00:32:34,820 had several high-profile horrific miss 772 00:32:40,810 --> 00:32:36,980 you know miss predictions oh yeah and 773 00:32:42,430 --> 00:32:40,820 and you know I and I'm glad that that 774 00:32:44,859 --> 00:32:42,440 sort of came out before her death I 775 00:32:47,980 --> 00:32:44,869 don't mean that in a ghoulish way but 776 00:32:49,749 --> 00:32:47,990 but it's important that people know her 777 00:32:50,310 --> 00:32:49,759 history with that I think that's her 778 00:32:52,580 --> 00:32:50,320 down 779 00:32:54,779 --> 00:32:52,590 if you coming back the beers at you 780 00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:54,789 coming back from the dead in another 781 00:32:59,200 --> 00:32:57,250 helicopter the regulars clockwork ok 782 00:33:02,289 --> 00:32:59,210 this is a sort of a 783 00:33:04,810 --> 00:33:02,299 they white and yellow stripes with a bit 784 00:33:06,909 --> 00:33:04,820 of purple army helicopter 785 00:33:10,740 --> 00:33:06,919 I think next time i do an interview 786 00:33:16,110 --> 00:33:12,390 wow you could not have picked a noisier 787 00:33:18,930 --> 00:33:16,120 place for this is no fun you you're 788 00:33:22,050 --> 00:33:18,940 right but it's a enjoy challenge I night 789 00:33:24,030 --> 00:33:22,060 admire that about you and that there was 790 00:33:27,510 --> 00:33:24,040 one particular one and I've got the 791 00:33:32,550 --> 00:33:27,520 video clip I was in Australia I psychic 792 00:33:34,590 --> 00:33:32,560 goes on on a chat show me and this is 793 00:33:36,210 --> 00:33:34,600 probably this psychic now in the South 794 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:36,220 the hell expect this is the same red one 795 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:38,890 again yeah turning into three-ring 796 00:33:43,110 --> 00:33:41,290 helicopter circus it is that's the same 797 00:33:44,700 --> 00:33:43,120 helicopters before of course it they're 798 00:33:47,910 --> 00:33:44,710 just landing at just just annoy you 799 00:33:52,590 --> 00:33:49,740 so this I've got the video the video 800 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:52,600 clip the cycads being interviewed on a 801 00:33:57,030 --> 00:33:54,730 chat show here and there and the 802 00:33:58,770 --> 00:33:57,040 interview US isn't and you've you've 803 00:34:00,210 --> 00:33:58,780 been involved with the crime the helping 804 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:00,220 the police haven't you which crimes 805 00:34:06,030 --> 00:34:02,530 which cases have you worked on and she 806 00:34:07,290 --> 00:34:06,040 said did she say all backpacker and the 807 00:34:09,090 --> 00:34:07,300 Australians will know about the backpack 808 00:34:10,350 --> 00:34:09,100 of murders and the granny killers and 809 00:34:12,870 --> 00:34:10,360 i'm not sure what the granny killers was 810 00:34:15,900 --> 00:34:12,880 and so the interviewer says oh and you 811 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:15,910 you gave the police information and this 812 00:34:20,370 --> 00:34:18,490 is what the psychic said she said well I 813 00:34:21,720 --> 00:34:20,380 got the numbers wrong what do you mean 814 00:34:25,290 --> 00:34:21,730 well well I said I sent them a letter 815 00:34:26,610 --> 00:34:25,300 and instead of the number of the street 816 00:34:28,409 --> 00:34:26,620 address i got the numbers wrong but i 817 00:34:30,090 --> 00:34:28,419 sent them the letter and then the 818 00:34:31,669 --> 00:34:30,100 interviewer said what did they do 819 00:34:35,610 --> 00:34:31,679 anything about it she said I don't know 820 00:34:37,890 --> 00:34:35,620 so oh but you know but you helped police 821 00:34:39,630 --> 00:34:37,900 right why send them a letter that had 822 00:34:41,430 --> 00:34:39,640 wrong numbers in it if that's not 823 00:34:44,490 --> 00:34:41,440 helpful I don't know what is what do you 824 00:34:46,890 --> 00:34:44,500 expect from me that's right so again bit 825 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:46,900 day it's astonishing that these people 826 00:34:51,300 --> 00:34:48,370 think they helped me it is by sending 827 00:34:53,730 --> 00:34:51,310 them gibberish it is yeah and and you 828 00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:53,740 know I see this in many many cases I've 829 00:34:58,890 --> 00:34:55,410 followed probably half a dozen 830 00:35:00,090 --> 00:34:58,900 high-profile missing-persons cases the 831 00:35:02,070 --> 00:35:00,100 most recent one i did was couple years 832 00:35:05,190 --> 00:35:02,080 old cut was the case of woman named 833 00:35:07,500 --> 00:35:05,200 holly bobo oh yeah bo bo and she was a 834 00:35:10,110 --> 00:35:07,510 young woman from missing from tennessee 835 00:35:12,390 --> 00:35:10,120 and I followed that case almost from the 836 00:35:14,700 --> 00:35:12,400 instant that she went missing because I 837 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:14,710 was really interested to sort of see how 838 00:35:19,020 --> 00:35:17,170 that unfolded in real time in terms of 839 00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:19,030 psychics on bulletin boards I was like 840 00:35:25,260 --> 00:35:21,970 you know this and that and you know 841 00:35:27,660 --> 00:35:25,270 within within days you had psychics 842 00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:27,670 posting things on psychic forums online 843 00:35:32,250 --> 00:35:29,890 talking about over killer is you know 844 00:35:34,380 --> 00:35:32,260 he's kind of his muscular guy he's got a 845 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:34,390 couple tattoos doesn't then and then and 846 00:35:37,950 --> 00:35:36,610 then a couple couple uh you know couple 847 00:35:40,020 --> 00:35:37,960 months later another psychic would say 848 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:40,030 well the impression I'm getting is you 849 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:41,890 know he's a he's methodical person to 850 00:35:47,580 --> 00:35:44,530 snap and I I spent several hours combing 851 00:35:49,720 --> 00:35:47,590 through and creating a profile and I was 852 00:35:51,310 --> 00:35:49,730 pointing out that that there 853 00:35:53,020 --> 00:35:51,320 the information it was giving was so 854 00:35:55,390 --> 00:35:53,030 ambiguous it could be anything and 855 00:35:58,150 --> 00:35:55,400 there's really nothing there and so I 856 00:36:00,220 --> 00:35:58,160 wrote about that in a couple places but 857 00:36:04,140 --> 00:36:00,230 it was it was remarkable to see it 858 00:36:09,839 --> 00:36:07,890 another helicopter I'm sure I am my 859 00:36:11,670 --> 00:36:09,849 human thought oh we can wander back 860 00:36:14,130 --> 00:36:11,680 inside now I think Ben because this is 861 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:14,140 just getting ridiculous but it is nice 862 00:36:17,819 --> 00:36:15,970 here at the Tropicana Hotel it's turned 863 00:36:19,109 --> 00:36:17,829 out very well for us just walking 864 00:36:20,579 --> 00:36:19,119 through the back to this Thank You Benny 865 00:36:22,769 --> 00:36:20,589 walking to back the doors were near the 866 00:36:24,930 --> 00:36:22,779 registration area once again well Ben 867 00:36:26,730 --> 00:36:24,940 Redford fantastic to see you at am again 868 00:36:29,010 --> 00:36:26,740 and where can people find out more about 869 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:29,020 you you can find me on meds are in 870 00:36:34,130 --> 00:36:32,410 radford calm I do blog for the first 871 00:36:36,809 --> 00:36:34,140 psych ops ii SI of course and 872 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:36,819 occasionally I do articles for live 873 00:36:40,950 --> 00:36:38,890 science and discovery news calm and no 874 00:36:43,500 --> 00:36:40,960 core so every now and then people can 875 00:36:46,799 --> 00:36:43,510 watch you on the popular media yes yes 876 00:36:49,339 --> 00:36:46,809 occasional TV shows and online and I'm 877 00:36:51,930 --> 00:36:49,349 I'm in places i don't even know I am oh 878 00:36:53,609 --> 00:36:51,940 I think we all are been from time to 879 00:37:12,180 --> 00:36:53,619 time well then in Bedford thank you very 880 00:37:17,110 --> 00:37:15,430 hey svenska skeptical the vet valid 881 00:37:19,570 --> 00:37:17,120 veteran scope for billing in the dog 882 00:37:22,540 --> 00:37:19,580 none hangar of the skeptic zone that an 883 00:37:25,510 --> 00:37:22,550 ox 0 are fearful dog pop science quiz of 884 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:25,520 skeptical Kevin Thomas Valley Queen pave 885 00:37:31,180 --> 00:37:28,490 pumped for Punta safe at spawn I involve 886 00:37:33,670 --> 00:37:31,190 a luger luke alphania hun tamilanda Top 887 00:37:35,830 --> 00:37:33,680 Gun warmly door installer and defense 888 00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:35,840 non-local training but from the start I 889 00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:40,610 am 12 your bottom add a new hello all 890 00:37:45,220 --> 00:37:43,610 skeptics in Sweden I'm sure you already 891 00:37:47,710 --> 00:37:45,230 know that the Swedish skeptics 892 00:37:49,990 --> 00:37:47,720 Association not only is a big fan of the 893 00:37:52,450 --> 00:37:50,000 skeptic zone but that we also organize 894 00:37:56,610 --> 00:37:52,460 lectures pop science quiz and skeptics 895 00:38:00,820 --> 00:37:56,620 in the pub all over the country go to 896 00:38:03,490 --> 00:38:00,830 WWD ofse to see what our seven local 897 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:03,500 chapters are up to and if you live in a 898 00:38:08,410 --> 00:38:05,210 place where there is no local chapter 899 00:38:18,490 --> 00:38:08,420 why not stop on yourself I'm talking to 900 00:38:30,790 --> 00:38:22,540 you 901 00:38:33,380 --> 00:38:30,800 Sydneysiders at the skeptic zone live 902 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:33,390 Thursday the sixth of August at Sydney 903 00:38:40,090 --> 00:38:35,010 skeptics in the pub don't forget to go 904 00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:40,100 to meetup.com / a ust skeptics for more 905 00:38:45,830 --> 00:38:42,690 information you can meet joe alabaster 906 00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:45,840 may not a run sir give stefan soika we 907 00:38:51,550 --> 00:38:48,210 have a Heidi Robertson by the skype 908 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:51,560 Lincoln dr. Richie will be reporting in 909 00:38:57,140 --> 00:38:54,330 looking forward to that not looking 910 00:38:59,240 --> 00:38:57,150 forward to that long 14 hour trip across 911 00:39:01,190 --> 00:38:59,250 the Pacific to get back to Sydney bday 912 00:39:03,830 --> 00:39:01,200 oh well we have an invented 913 00:39:05,390 --> 00:39:03,840 teleportation just yet so I guess that's 914 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:05,400 what I'll have to do thank you once 915 00:39:08,990 --> 00:39:06,810 again to all the people who made the 916 00:39:11,060 --> 00:39:09,000 amazing meeting possible it was amazing 917 00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:11,070 this year and thank you too Randy for 918 00:39:15,710 --> 00:39:13,410 being there and well being amazing as we 919 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:15,720 keep saying but for this week this is 920 00:39:24,770 --> 00:39:17,490 Richard Saunders signing off from 921 00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:24,780 California USA you've been listening to 922 00:39:30,590 --> 00:39:27,090 the skeptics own podcast visit our 923 00:39:33,170 --> 00:39:30,600 website at wwc a petting zoo TV for 924 00:39:37,250 --> 00:39:33,180 contacts and archive of all episodes 925 00:39:39,380 --> 00:39:37,260 since 2008 and our online store please 926 00:39:42,710 --> 00:39:39,390 support the skeptic zone by following us 927 00:39:45,700 --> 00:39:42,720 on twitter at skeptic zone liking us on 928 00:39:48,050 --> 00:39:45,710 facebook and leaving a review on iTunes 929 00:39:50,930 --> 00:39:48,060 you can also show your support by 930 00:39:54,470 --> 00:39:50,940 subscribing via paypal or as little is 931 00:39:56,510 --> 00:39:54,480 99 cents a week the skeptic zone is an 932 00:39:58,610 --> 00:39:56,520 independent production the views and 933 00:40:00,800 --> 00:39:58,620 opinions expressed on the skeptic zone 934 00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:00,810 and not necessarily those of Australian